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SUNFIRE TUNER VS CARVER ACCD TUNER
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#1 Posted: Friday, February 6, 2009 7:21:04 PM(UTC)
 
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I am wondering what you guys think about the Sunfire tuner section compared to the Carver ACCD tuner. I live about 35 miles from two FM stations. I use the typical supplied FM dipole antenna. My HR 895 tuner was great. The ACCD circuit "cleaned" up the signal significantly and maintained good stereo separation. In contrast, the Sunfire tuner is rather noisy. The "noise reduction circuitry" appears to be nothing more than an FM mono switch. I don't listen to the radio often, but I listen even less with the Sunfire. I suppose I could get better results with an outdoor antenna. I would say that the Sunfire tuner is a "step down" from the ACCD tuner. I wonder why BOB didn't keep the tuner the same? Does anyone else have any experience/opinions?



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#2 Posted: Friday, February 6, 2009 7:30:06 PM(UTC)
 
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Well, there's a lot going on in a Sunfire that isn't dedicated to it being a tuner. I suspect there just isn't room for all the stuff you can put into a dedicated or semi-dedicated box. Most receiver tuners aren't very good anyway. I'd try a roof antenna. I get decent reception on my Sunfire, but I have line-of-sight view of the towers from my house about 20 miles away. They are on the top of what we call South Mountain here in Phoenix, and I live on the side of the McDowell Mountains across the valley from them. Nothing but air between me and them.
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Balok wrote:
I am wondering what you guys think about the Sunfire tuner section compared to the Carver ACCD tuner. I live about 35 miles from two FM stations. I use the typical supplied FM dipole antenna. My HR 895 tuner was great. The ACCD circuit "cleaned" up the signal significantly and maintained good stereo separation. In contrast, the Sunfire tuner is rather noisy. The "noise reduction circuitry" appears to be nothing more than an FM mono switch. I don't listen to the radio often, but I listen even less with the Sunfire. I suppose I could get better results with an outdoor antenna. I would say that the Sunfire tuner is a "step down" from the ACCD tuner. I wonder why BOB didn't keep the tuner the same? Does anyone else have any experience/opinions?



Hmmmm, maybe it had something to do with the fact that when Carver Corporation went Bankrupt and Bob started up Sunfire, he was not allowed to use the patented technologies that he had developped for Carver Corporation without paying royalties to the bankruptcy lawyers.

I find that there is very little to listen to on FM radio these days; I even bought a Carver TX-2 tuner 6 months ago and only used it for 2 days never to turn it back on since, so I sold it a few weeks ago. It was very quiet just as the one in my sons Carver MXR-130 is and much quieter than the one on my Sony HT receiver is, but I have enver heard the FM tuner section on a Sunfire, so I can't really comment on thaté FM tuners are included in most receivers and pre/processors as purely a matter of convenience for people who mostly listen to FM radio as background noise, not as a "serious" music source.

Just my 2 cents ...
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-the tx12 [tuner only], has accd and cable ready...there is still some decent fm stations here [2fm and 4am for me]


-'accd' is for the birds [opinion]...been awhile but if i recall correctly, stole ALL midrange [read guitarwork]


-not sure if sunfire has 'accd', if it does it must be better...good Q Think


-wouldnt loose any sleep if accd broke in the off position on carver tuners/pre amps


-ps; besides an outdoor antenna, an indoor magnum dynalab antenna works pretty dang well...unless you get a tx12 or sunfire [cable ready]
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I have a sunfire, but I'm with OBI......have not even bothered
Could try it and let you know this weekend, but as rural as I am it might not be
the last word

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I have a sunfire, but I'm with OBI......have not even bothered
Could try it and let you know this weekend, but as rural as I am it might not be
the last word

Perry


Hi PDR. As you are much closer to Edmonton, I would be interested if the FM stations remain "in stereo" when you engage the NR circuitry.

Hi OBI56. I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps he lost rights to "ACCD" circuitry.

Hi maddmaxxx. I respect your dislike of Carver tuner. I am wondering if you were listening to near or distant FM stations when you came to your conclusion. Also, the Sunfire has something called Dynamic Noise Reduction (not ACCD)

Lastly, how do you use more than one quote in the same post. Thanks


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I listened to the tuner on my Sunfire ONE TIME when I first got it; haven't had it on since. FM sounds like crap & I'm hooked on SACD lately...


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Balok wrote:
PDR wrote:
I have a sunfire, but I'm with OBI......have not even bothered
Could try it and let you know this weekend, but as rural as I am it might not be
the last word

Perry




Hi maddmaxxx. I respect your dislike of Carver tuner. I am wondering if you were listening to near or distant FM stations when you came to your conclusion. Also, the Sunfire has something called Dynamic Noise Reduction (not ACCD)





-whoopers mr balok; i type funny, didnt mean to post that way

-i like the tx12...alot...[im not looking to replace], when i say cable ready, i mean shes hooked thru my dish network...all regular broadcasts are an hour away now

-lived before in detroit...so my opinion w/accd is w/both [tx12 and [2] ct6's, one of which purchased new]...so both very close and pretty far radio sations

-zero experiance w/sunfires 'DNR'
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What Maxxx is saying is that he didn't even need to turn on his tuner to get CKLW. At 50,000 watts across the river in Windsor, you could pick it up on a turntable.
It should sound like it isn't there.
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What Maxxx is saying is that he didn't even need to turn on his tuner to get CKLW. At 50,000 watts across the river in Windsor, you could pick it up on a turntable.


-LOL LOL

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