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Further proof that it’s not all about HP... there are many systems involved - suspension, transmission, tires, and of course the driver. Much like audio, it’s about synergy.

 

Per Road & Track, the 2020 Corvette Stingray delivered an incredible 0-60 time of 2.8 seconds (!) – which is a full 1.1 seconds faster than the C7 Stingray, according to the magazine’s tests. The transmission also clicks through through two gears in the process, at 30 and 55 mph, compared to the C7 which took first gear all the way to 51 mph. To further put things into perspective, the 490 horsepower C8 Corvette Stingray is quicker to 60 than the 650 horsepower C7 Corvette Z06

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40 minutes ago, Daddyjt said:

Further proof that it’s not all about HP... there are many systems involved - suspension, transmission, tires, and of course the driver. Much like audio, it’s about synergy.

 

Per Road & Track, the 2020 Corvette Stingray delivered an incredible 0-60 time of 2.8 seconds (!) – which is a full 1.1 seconds faster than the C7 Stingray, according to the magazine’s tests. The transmission also clicks through through two gears in the process, at 30 and 55 mph, compared to the C7 which took first gear all the way to 51 mph. To further put things into perspective, the 490 horsepower C8 Corvette Stingray is quicker to 60 than the 650 horsepower C7 Corvette Z06

 

 

THe C8 isn't out yet, but my point was that one may own a car capable of 2.8 seconds to 60MPH, but look around and you'll see the drivers not wanting to spend that much on the gas required to get there (and they drive it like a prius), whereas I can do 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and get 27 MPG in a tuned 2 liter turbo (not during the acceleration, but overall).

 

It seems that even though the mid-engined vette has taken decades to deliver, it still has understeer problems.  Remember when chevy promised that the C7 was 'track ready'? that didn't pan out either.

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More head scratching to me, is the vaunted top speed statistics. 186mph? That’s cute... where are you going to approach anything close to that, without putting not only yourself at risk of physical/legal peril, but innocent others as well. 

 

I had a neighbor in MT that had a highly tuned Z06.  He and several friends would pool their funds a couple times a year and rent various tracks in the northwest for the weekend, a couple times a year. 

 

As for me, I’m strictly a truck guy now.  I still find car stats mildly interesting, and like seeing the design and technology progression, but any more it’s not how fast I can go, but rather how much I can haul for myself or my friends/family. I’m Mr. “I have a friend that has a truck”, and always happy to help someone out. That, and my body cringes at the thought of trying to fold itself into most of these new sports cars, lol. I suppose I could still do a Ford Lightning some day....

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3 minutes ago, Daddyjt said:

More head scratching to me, is the vaunted top speed statistics. 186mph? That’s cute... where are you going to approach anything close to that, without putting not only yourself at risk of physical/legal peril, but innocent others as well. 

 

I had a neighbor in MT that had a highly tuned Z06.  He and several friends would pool their funds a couple times a year and rent various tracks in the northwest for the weekend, a couple times a year. 

 

As for me, I’m strictly a truck guy now.  I still find car stats mildly interesting, and like seeing the design and technology progression, but any more it’s not how fast I can go, but rather how much I can haul for myself or my friends/family. I’m Mr. “I have a friend that has a truck”, and always happy to help someone out. That, and my body cringes at the thought of trying to fold itself into most of these new sports cars, lol. I suppose I could still do a Ford Lightning some day....

 

That was pretty much exactly Jason's point in the video.

 

oal, my brother is a big truck guy.  although he recently bought a BMW M-4, until then he was of the opinion that every 'man' has to own a truck.  Never mind the extra mass (and $$) they have to spend hauling that truck around when the cargo bed is empty.  His opinion was that, should the shit hit the fan, he'd be able to offroad it out of Long Island.  Good luck with that, as the first few dozen asshats that get stuck trying to do so will ruin the day for everyone else.

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Agreed - the jacked-up, 20” wide tire, diesel stack poking through a hole(s) cut in the bed leave me perplexed. They are the first trucks to get stuck or slide off the road. 

 

Other than a LineX bed liner and a modest stereo, my truck is bone stock. Quality tires and attentive driving keep me on the road and out of trouble. 

 

As for milage, I’m 17ish around town. Better on the highway, from the 6.0 gas engine. It’s worth every penny in gas to be comfortable behind the wheel, have the ability to haul/tow whatever I want, and be able to drive in any weather conditions.  My busiest winter, I pulled nine cars/trucks back onto the road (and yes, one was a jacked-up balloon tire clad behemoth, lol). 

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This thread got me thinking about my truck (and the bone stock comment), and I realized that at 130k miles, I’m probably due for new spark plugs...?

 

any recommendations from all of you out there that know far more than I do on brand of plugs? Should I do wires too?

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5 hours ago, Daddyjt said:

This thread got me thinking about my truck (and the bone stock comment), and I realized that at 130k miles, I’m probably due for new spark plugs...?

 

any recommendations from all of you out there that know far more than I do on brand of plugs? Should I do wires too?

I've always just followed the manufacturer's recommendation on plug changes..., I think that is 50k intervals, and stuck to stock plugs. I've not done plug wires.

 

Probably more important, and I have a little experience on this one..., is that after 100K, injectors are at end-of-life.  100k of carbon build-up, or bad fuel fill-ups, take their toll.  The "symptoms" of missing are similar between plugs going bad and injectors.  Makes no difference if your injectors are DGI (Direct Gas Injection - injecting into the cylinders), or standard type, injecting into the intake ports, behind the valves.  Although, the latter are easier to keep running clean with fuel conditioner.  I suspect your truck has traditional behind the valve types.  Those let the fuel conditioners "rinse" the carbon build-up off the back of the valves, while the former are affected more by ignition, carbon and heat directly from the combustion chamber.

 

I'm at 220K on my F150, and I put fuel conditioner in every tank full of gas now, to prevent injectors from fowling..., which btw, is a HUGE expense to replace all 8 in a v8.  I like the Techroline conditioner, but have also used GumOut high mileage injector cleaner and fuel conditioner.  Also tried some AmsOil.  I don't think it matters, as long as you are running some kind of softener/solvent to reduce the carbon and sludge build-up on your injectors.

 

A bad injector is going to misfire and drain power just like a bad spark plug..., but a lot more expensive to fix.

 

... hope that's helpful, not your original question, but related to the potential symptoms that can be experienced on high-mileage vehicles.  I'm looking at about $2500 to clean carbon (plus the cost of some injector replacement, another potential 6x$200) from my Audi with FSI (DGI) injectors is at 145K miles and I didn't do this fuel conditioner early enough..., Hoping I can soften enough of it to save on that expense with a few tank-fulls of conditioned gas.  Cylinder 6 is still not firing..., Ugh.

 

If not helpful, no worries, it's free advice, and worthless if not applicable.

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Thanks Andrew - I do use fuel conditioners about every 4th tank of fuel, and have since about 10k miles. I also have the “milestone” maintenance done (36k, 60k, 100k, etc...), and I’ve always done my own oil changes (Mobil synthetic).  I figured the plugs would have been done at one of the milestone intervals, but it’s not indicted on my paperwork, so pretty sure they didn’t do them....

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I like this new mechanism for delivering the "Need for Speed."  I think this NASA plane is more elegant..., hide the weapons..., I think they get smaller in the future, right?

 

On a design labeled "Porsche", big engines, and guns out the front look/feel "clunky" and inconsistent with current Porsche design concepts.

 

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On 3/19/2020 at 9:01 PM, Charlie said:

Anyone seen this?

 

 

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No, I have not come across that vehicle..., 

However, when the kids were young, we were driving somewhere in WI on the freeway, and we passed this vehicle..., I snapped a pic, but couldn't find it - this was from the internet.  Kids at the time got a kick out of it!

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On 10/18/2019 at 6:04 AM, AndrewJohn said:

I've always just followed the manufacturer's recommendation on plug changes..., I think that is 50k intervals, and stuck to stock plugs. I've not done plug wires.

 

Probably more important, and I have a little experience on this one..., is that after 100K, injectors are at end-of-life.  100k of carbon build-up, or bad fuel fill-ups, take their toll.  The "symptoms" of missing are similar between plugs going bad and injectors.  Makes no difference if your injectors are DGI (Direct Gas Injection - injecting into the cylinders), or standard type, injecting into the intake ports, behind the valves.  Although, the latter are easier to keep running clean with fuel conditioner.  I suspect your truck has traditional behind the valve types.  Those let the fuel conditioners "rinse" the carbon build-up off the back of the valves, while the former are affected more by ignition, carbon and heat directly from the combustion chamber.

 

I'm at 220K on my F150, and I put fuel conditioner in every tank full of gas now, to prevent injectors from fowling..., which btw, is a HUGE expense to replace all 8 in a v8.  I like the Techroline conditioner, but have also used GumOut high mileage injector cleaner and fuel conditioner.  Also tried some AmsOil.  I don't think it matters, as long as you are running some kind of softener/solvent to reduce the carbon and sludge build-up on your injectors.

 

A bad injector is going to misfire and drain power just like a bad spark plug..., but a lot more expensive to fix.

 

... hope that's helpful, not your original question, but related to the potential symptoms that can be experienced on high-mileage vehicles.  I'm looking at about $2500 to clean carbon (plus the cost of some injector replacement, another potential 6x$200) from my Audi with FSI (DGI) injectors is at 145K miles and I didn't do this fuel conditioner early enough..., Hoping I can soften enough of it to save on that expense with a few tank-fulls of conditioned gas.  Cylinder 6 is still not firing..., Ugh.

 

If not helpful, no worries, it's free advice, and worthless if not applicable.

 

Not sure what year / engine your F-150 is / has but Motorcraft injectors can be had for 5.4L Triton engines for $23 / each. Less than $200 for something that lasts >100,000 miles doesn't seem too crazy to me. My Coyote injectors are only $15 each. Amazing...

 

I sold my 2004 Lightning with 168,411 miles on the original injectors. It still made over 425HP at the wheels - the injectors were working just fine. I always ran 93 octane, top-tier gas in it though. I never replaced a coil pack either. Had to replace upper and lower ball joints at ~125,000 miles though. Great truck. Surprised more than one Corvette / Mustang / Camaro / Ram SRT-10 owner in an impromptu acceleration contest. 😀 

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Not sure what year / engine your F-150 is / has but Motorcraft injectors can be had for 5.4L Triton engines for $23 / each. Less than $200 for something that lasts >100,000 miles doesn't seem too crazy to me. My Coyote injectors are only $15 each. Amazing...

 

I sold my 2004 Lightning with 168,411 miles on the original injectors. It still made over 425HP at the wheels - the injectors were working just fine. I always ran 93 octane, top-tier gas in it though. I never replaced a coil pack either. Had to replace upper and lower ball joints at ~125,000 miles though. Great truck. Surprised more than one Corvette / Mustang / Camaro / Ram SRT-10 owner in an impromptu acceleration contest. 😀 

 

I think the injectors can be found at reasonable cost. Yes.  For me, sometimes I have the time to DIY, other times, I don't.  When you add labor, injectors get pricey..., and, on a high-mileage F150 5.4 Triton (what's in my 2002) the risk for damage and collateral part replacement when pulling off the top-end EGR and other under-hood regulatory control devices..., is high.  If I had to do the top-end, I'd probably end up replacing a lot of that..., just because it was there.  Of course, everyone is different when they get in there and make the decisions.

 

My F150 project now is to put a new head-unit (stereo) and audio system in..., LoL..., and, maybe do the rocker-panels again (the only place I have rust).  Summer is coming.

 

...

 

Update on my Audi A6 carbon build-up and cylinder 6 not firing..., 

 

Over the winter, it took several (more than a dozen) short-tank's of over-treated gas with injector cleaner solvent to free up the injector.   That saved me the nearly $3000 quote I had to do it physically, pulling the manifold, and chiseling it out.   It was a very rough ride for about 2000 miles.  I had nothing to lose..., car really at end of life, worth less than $2000 if I sold it, and less than that on trade-in.  I just like driving it, so I keep it.  Eventually the injector freed up.  And, it is running strong again, no missing.

 

However, there's this little device on the back of each bank of the V6 called a VVT valve.  Audi's Variable Valve Timing.  There's an o-ring that keeps this from blowing oil.  When that o-ring fails, it will put enough oil on the top of the manifold to pool..., maybe a pint+, and every time you hit the brakes, it runs over the front, down on the serpentine belt and alternator.   I thought I had an alternator going bad, charging system was failing..., which made me dig in.   The VVT system is controlled by oil pressure.  So, at higher revs, it adjusts the valve timing mechanically (by hydraulics, vs. electronic).  Those two o-rings failed.., were completely dried out, flaked off in pieces when pulled.  I think they dried out, and coincidentally failed.  no fuel is run by those VVT units, but the vibration of missing on cylinder 6 may have contributed.  Did a power-wash with some degreaser of the front end, alternator, and belly-pan, the charging system started working again once the oil was off of it.  Extremely easy and cheap fix.

 

Then this happened.   I thought I was in the clear for a couple of 30-cent o-rings to sell this wonderful car to the next owner..., tires at about 5/32nds.  Still legal, I wanted to give the next owner the option of choosing new rubber.  Damn it, if I didn't get a double-flat..., front tire, then spare went out same weekend a month ago.  Ended up putting new rubber all the way around - can't sell a car with flat tires.

 

....now I'm going to keep it for a couple more years.  Just can't see losing on the expense/investment of new tires, and this car is extremely cheap to drive..., daily cost, now, past typical end-of-life.  Nothing to lose, and everything to gain with every mile driven.

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On 3/22/2020 at 12:46 PM, AndrewJohn said:

No, I have not come across that vehicle..., 

However, when the kids were young, we were driving somewhere in WI on the freeway, and we passed this vehicle..., I snapped a pic, but couldn't find it - this was from the internet.  Kids at the time got a kick out of it!

190218160554-wienermobile.jpg

This is still out there. Oscar Meyer seasonally hire a new team of 12 highly coveted  "Hotdoggers" every year to drive the weinermobile across country to special events. Thousands apply every time they post it.

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Posted (edited)

Well, it was crisp outside, the sun was providing the lighting..., so, why not take a spring-time shot of the vehicles that I love to drive?

 

Let's see your ride in the spring-time sun?

 

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