DrummerJuice 1,278 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Stumbled across this article... https://www.vinylvintage.net/vinyl-vs-digital/ Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodH 4,820 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Yeah. Don't obsess about the delivery system, enjoy the music. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sk1Bum 9,881 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 The author is spot on about many of his opinions, but I have to question whether he's listened to any of the ultra high quality vinyl releases. That said, I do enjoy the ritual of vinyl, selecting the album, removing it from the cover, placing it on the turntable, cleaning it with the Disckeeper, ... I love the warmth that is missing from many CDs, but I don't love the static that is a constant battle with vinyl. Rod summed it up best though: 4 minutes ago, Rod H said: Don't obsess about the delivery system, enjoy the music. Amen! 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianD 488 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I have an opinion about why vinyl is sometimes preferred that I rarely see mentioned in these articles. I haven’t made any measurements so I could be wrong, but here is what I think. I beleive that much of the difference is in how it was mixed, and how much dynamic range compression is used. It is strange that a CD quality digital recording has the capacity for much more dynamic rangethan an LP, but it is rarely used. If you are listening to any vintage vinyl, there was some compression just to get it to fit within the constraints of the media, but usually that was about it. But the CD era was also the start of the loudness wars, and in the digital download era it is even worse. Almost any popular music made in this century is really compressed and loud. But when it is mixed for an LP, I think that the engineer knows that it won’t just be played over an iPhone speaker and cuts down the compression. Then to someone who cares about sound quality, it sounds better. But in the end, I agree with what has already been said. No matter what it is, enjoy the music. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodH 4,820 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Mastering (done by the pro's) for vinyl was different. They knew the bandwidth and compression realities of the vinyl medium. RIAA equalization and the physical limits of groove width and stylus acceleration etc. Also music was once produced to give the best results on AM radio broadcasts. Look into the "Wall of Sound" for just one example. Then there was the whole Loudness War. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDR 1,192 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I remember in the 60s walking around with my Transistor radio......am of course, lol. I heard somewhere that certain songs were recorded and listened to thru Trans radio, and were re-mixed to sound the best......dont know if thats true though. http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/songs-that-the-transistor-radio-was-made-for.749614/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerJuice 1,278 Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 A lot of the early pressings were recorded on tape first. Still sounds fantastic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvandyke_texas 432 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Ironic that the CD medium which can finally handle music's dynamic range is treated as if it has no value by recording everything hot. I'm sticking with LPs or FLAC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papajoe 220 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Brian D. I read your post and thought to myself 'Compression'. You know, I cannot ever remember hearing that term used in terms of 'vinyl' . It seems to me that the 'term' was first used in regards to digital recordings because of the large size of the sound files and the restraints of the recording 'medium' being used. Papajoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyjt 8,608 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, jvandyke_texas said: Ironic that the CD medium which can finally handle music's dynamic range is treated as if it has no value by recording everything hot. I'm sticking with LPs or FLAC. Here are a few that will pin your ears back, from a DR standpoint. BE CAREFUL with Time Warp - I’ve heard many a “woofer slap” with this disc... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtexasdog 2,366 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 The original post link say’s it all very well!! I like both and each has it’s place. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danowood 2,167 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Much more to the vinyl than just the sound. It's a nostalgic derivative of one of the greatest explosion in music history. It's the art work on the covers, to the pop, click, and hiss, that to a young teenager experiencing the music explosion of the era that made no difference in the experience to not only the music but the culture that came with it. The hippie movement, Woodstock et all. Something that todays teen's never experienced . Of course as we grew older the more critique we have become in music, and the reproduction thereof; but to me the vinyl era encompassed and shaped our disposition more than anything I can think of. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRHP 865 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 When I bought my DQ-20's in about 1995 the guy I got them from gave me an old tuner (don't remember the brand JVC or something) and a turn table. He said sell them for me if possible if not just keep them or throw them away. I sold the tuner in a week or two but nobody wanted the turn table.....CD's were in and vinyl was out in the 90's. I put the turn table in the attic of my garage and it sat there for probably 15yrs. Decided to get it down and see what I had, I remembered it looking pretty old school with nice wood. I figured it would be a corroded rust bucket after sitting up there so long. It was still mint! And it was a DENON DP-62L omg! Serial #0004 omg! Now I was really excited, so hooked it up after getting advise from BrianT about phono preamps, mm, mc, all that jazz. Got it running and showed my kids who were about age 9 and 12, they had never seen such a contraption. Was playing some music for them and my son says Dad how do you fast forward?....lol.... I said you get off the couch lift the needle and set it down on the next song..haha...great memory. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodH 4,820 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 https://www.ebay.com/itm/113434583322 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian_at_HHH 2,609 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Definitely an interesting take on Vinyl. It made me realize what my fascination with vinyl is, aside from having a collection of LPs most of which didn't make it to CDs. It's not sound, CDs, etc. have Vinyl beat (the basic premise to vinyl is flawed), and it's sure not convenience, because it's anything but. No, in my case, I've realized I'm enamored with the technology. Just the shear mechanical complexity and precision that has gone into them to create very decent quality sound. I think my work in the digital world (I'm a computer nerd, after all), just the fact it's mechanical, and basically doesn't even add power to the sound it produces (aside from that produced by the cartridge, of course). I'm drawn to such things, for some odd reason. I write with fountain pens, stereo over surround sound, tube guitar amps over computer modelling, and physical media, over online digital. Yeah, I know, it's not justifiable from any logical perspective, but damn it's fun to mess around with. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadvw 2,805 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 10/20/2018 at 12:48 PM, Sk1Bum said: The author is spot on about many of his opinions, but I have to question whether he's listened to any of the ultra high quality vinyl releases. That said, I do enjoy the ritual of vinyl, selecting the album, removing it from the cover, placing it on the turntable, cleaning it with the Disckeeper, ... I love the warmth that is missing from many CDs, but I don't love the static that is a constant battle with vinyl. Rod summed it up best though: Amen! I always loved that back in the 80’s, recording music onto cassette tape, then putting the album up and listening to the DBX cassette deck......grin 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddmaster 957 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I actually still have a DBX 224 decoder/encoder. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadvw 2,805 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Maddmaster said: I actually still have a DBX 224 decoder/encoder. I have a 222, but the DBX cassette deck I use now is the Yamaha K-2000......grin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerJuice 1,278 Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 Here's a good explanation... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyTrails 498 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Interesting video DJ. Its cause and effect with me. I can see, feel and hear my vinyl due to my actions. Same could be argued with digital, and digital is what I am currently listening to more at this point of my transient life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Community Admin AndrewJohn 8,165 Posted December 10, 2018 Community Admin Share Posted December 10, 2018 15 hours ago, Rod H said: https://www.ebay.com/itm/113434583322 @Rod H Love the Denon Tables..., here's my DP-61F "precision balanced with beauty" 11 hours ago, Maddmaster said: I actually still have a DBX 224 decoder/encoder. I'm a fan of DBX Vinyl..., the last year or so, the prices for DBX encoded vinyl have quadrupled, it seems... Dead quiet, through a DBX 225 with the "vinyl disk" option. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerJuice 1,278 Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 And the debate continues! https://www.redsharknews.com/audio/item/2368-the-sound-of-vinyl-is-just-an-effect-here-s-the-proof 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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