Nahash5150 8,922 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Someone contacted the Site Support with this message: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike46 393 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Wow that is low, especially when anyone can download for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryG 2,649 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Is there possible legal action because of the watermark? That is really low. Sorry to hear that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtexasdog 2,108 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 As they can be had free here I guess it just shows there are those low life’s out there that will help a fool and their money part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyjt 6,979 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I’ll send him a message asking if there’s more to his manuals that the ones for free on the site. If he says yes, I’ll buy one, then hit him with a formal complaint and negative feedback... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichP714 3,136 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It's all public domain stuff anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom 370 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, Daddyjt said: I’ll send him a message asking if there’s more to his manuals that the ones for free on the site. If he says yes, I’ll buy one, then hit him with a formal complaint and negative feedback... I like it. State in feedback the information is free.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nahash5150 8,922 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 But I wonder if they are actually selling the watermarked PDF's!!! 100% negative feedback forthcoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichP714 3,136 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Nahash5150 said: But I wonder if they are actually selling the watermarked PDF's!!! 100% negative feedback forthcoming. There's not a very strong legal case, since it's all public domain. I originally added the watermark to dissuade reselling, knowing that it wasn't really actionable without a large cash buffer. e.g. a WWII documentary DVD can contain entirely public domain content and still be copyrighted, since there's value added by at least a DVD menu, probably some narration. In this context, adding a watermark could be argued as value added, but may not roll the way you want it to The encryption is easily broken to remove watermarks; one would have to purchase a signature key, and this stuff isn't worth the cost. Still bad form by the seller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJohn 5,537 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I agree. It's bad seller form, for sure. There are a dozen other sites beside Ebay that charge for a PDF of Carver (and other maker's) manuals. Most of us probably have better things to do with our time (as I queue up another LP!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffs 1,835 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) I assumed all Carver manuals for sale on ebay were copied from this site. Edited March 28, 2019 by jeffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerJuice 1,275 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Is it possible to put manuals up for free on ebay? (or a few pennies) to steer people away from the rip off artists? A simple google search brought up sources for all Carver manuals (the top 3 of which were all free) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnaryder 754 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 10 hours ago, jeffs said: I assumed all Carver manuals for sale on ebay were copied from this site. No, some are not and come from legitimate sellers. Most notably AngeloD. He's always selling parts Bob gave him. ray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nahash5150 8,922 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 I wasn't interested in legal action, or even controlling their actions (directly), I'm just asking myself - why give away our manuals for free if people will pay for them? It's like the gas wars! The potential for selling is the only reason why the Sunfire documentation has not been released...even though Bob gave ALL those away as well. And he's not happy about it either...he got into the whole 'not paying it forward' rant. It's not a big issue for me, I thought it was interesting to get that 'support request' by you@me.com. har har Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichP714 3,136 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Nahash5150 said: I wasn't interested in legal action, or even controlling their actions (directly), I'm just asking myself - why give away our manuals for free if people will pay for them? It's like the gas wars! The potential for selling is the only reason why the Sunfire documentation has not been released...even though Bob gave ALL those away as well. And he's not happy about it either...he got into the whole 'not paying it forward' rant. It's not a big issue for me, I thought it was interesting to get that 'support request' by you@me.com. har har Back when this board was starting, F1Nut sent me a message with the reply to 'eatshit@richie.com' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man 3,763 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, RichP714 said: Back when this board was starting, F1Nut sent me a message with the reply to 'eatshit@richie.com' He's a real class act... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nahash5150 8,922 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, RichP714 said: Back when this board was starting, F1Nut sent me a message with the reply to 'eatshit@richie.com' (Yeah but he's a really nice guy in person.) We still deal with F1Nut's now and then. This was the latest for me, 'Now go outside and play "Hide and Go Fuck Yourself"' It must be my amazing personality. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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