Fill35U thanks, as you have been very helpful since I joined the forum. But they were nice in appearance and may be a nice set of speakers, but not this month, needed new plates for the car. I am scheduled to go and hear a system tomorrow after work that the seller wants to sell his AV 634 and his CT-17, hopefully the case of the CT-17 is nice. Oh and there was also a set of Klipsch 5.2's on the local CL that was $350.00 I believe, had to search quite a few days back so could be sold. Hopefully will be coming home tomorrow with the CT-17, will update.