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Honestly, this forum is not built on shitting on people or products. Of course we're allowed our opinions, and sometimes we have complaints, but I think what defines us is that we are fans of audio and promote good experiences. I'm with AJ. Karma is real. It's one of the reasons we don't piss on people here just for the fun of it.

We can do product 'reviews' and 'measurements' here too. Hell, we can even benchmark their specifications.

It's not a safety issue. It seems whenever people want to leverage their argument, they bring up safety as a means to diffuse opposition (like uhm, the authoritarian coronavirus policies). So all this is about is a 3 prong socket used as a two prong. I'll give them that. It implies it is Earth Grounded, which could be a selling point? I don't know. It's a meaningless concern, in the context of safety. It's really about presentation. But that can be fixed, so time to move on. I wonder, do these safety nazis get their gear inspected every year for a safety compliance? They should, if they really cared about it. Safety regulations change all the time.

Okay fine. Then if the chassis is grounded and you touch a faulty power cord and get exposed to the hot with one hand, and you're grounded with the other hand, you could get fucked. EG is not automatic safety. In many ways it is far more dangerous.

But I'm still at risk. I have been shocked before, and accidents can still happen. Even worse, I've had damaged units catch fire and blow up large cap capacitors. Expert or not - electronics in general are hazardous. My point is, you can't make anything 'safe'. There's always a way to make anything dangerous. If regulators, such as OSHA, ever wanted to shut down companies they could easily do it. That is why there is a reliance on a) the written law, and b) rules and regulations. There is such a thing as acceptable risk, because there is always risk. What it really comes down to is liability. Ultimately, the manufacturer is always liable, no matter what regulation or standard they follow. According to the law, it doesn't matter if an amplifier is UL or CE or compliant in every way to the written law and regulations. If someone is injured or killed using your product, you will be responsible - period. Personal liability is one matter, but business liability is quite another. A business's only real recourse is to have good insurance. Following regulations won't save you, it just decreases your chances of being brought to court by mitigating the chances of an accident ever happening. You cannot call anything that uses line power 'safe'. You cannot legally claim that because line power is by default hazardous usage. So the 'safety' discussion is just a loop without any end.

Okay so I can't walk away for good... QUESTION: Am I at risk for working on electronic equipment? I am required to open up high voltage appliances, and in many cases, test them before I know what is wrong with them. Does this impose significant risk to my life?

I am. I'm tired of it. I have never seen so much babble about a single freaking amplifier ever. The controversy just keeps spinning right back to where we started! Over and over again. @wrf knows as much about it as I do. He may still have the patience for it...but I suspect his won't last much longer either. I still own two. I even used one of them to drive the 900W 4 ohm Tekton MOABS and it performed just fine. Sometimes I wonder just what the hell people are expecting from their amplifiers. It isn't a PA system - it's a little 55W per channel tube amp! I'm not trying to be an ass but my patience has a limit. I talk to people all over the world about audio everyday. In most cases, people enjoy relatively standard set ups - a set of good speakers and a Carver amp or two with a couple of sources and a preamp. But some people want their stuff to sound like a rock concert (which average about 150,000 watts of power). Or, they expect a 40 year old Carver to keep up with a modern class A amp that costs $30,000 (true story). So I don't understand people and never will. But I do understand when I've had enough. And I've had enough of the Carver275 'controversy'. Also - EGing everything is just a CYA nowadays thanks to the rabid (and very unfair) liability with products.

But Steve is selling his now? I'm walking away from this topic. This is blowing up my own neurons...

This EG topic was very heated when we were building the kits. Some people insisted that the EG be connected, even after Bob told them not to. Earth Ground is NOT always safe. Furthermore, almost all audio equipment is NOT Earth Grounded.

If you read the guide to the Member Map, it clearly states the criteria for your profile, and that the member database has to be uploaded to Google Maps manually. So if you or others don't appear, they either a) don't have a valid location entered into their profile, or b) haven't been uploaded to Google yet. It's been a couple years since I have uploaded - and you're the first person to even make mention of the Member Map since then... I need to know what links you're talking about before I can fix them. But there is only one valid Member Map, and that is the one in the link I provided above.

Are you trying to get here?

It was a joke Jim.

Bob has an account here. Just FYI. He may need to be reminded!

Cool! Thick skin is not tending here - so just making sure! Sometimes opinions...sometimes facts...sometimes the truth...sometimes BS. You may never know for sure...muhaha

Gary - all that information is all over this site. You're starving for audio knowledge - so I would suggest going back to some old posts by RichP, and maybe some by yours truly. You'll find discussions PACKED with knowledge and insight by many of the members here. This site is just not as active as it used to be. Paul is a good salesman - I'll just stay with that. He's right on some things, totally wrong on others.

Gary - the pursuit of high quality is a good thing. Getting the very best you can for your listening adventure is what this is all about. But this topic makes me think of all the many discussions and even arguments we've had on this site and others about similar things. People will talk about a something, share opinions, and then someone like me comes along and spoils the magic. But that's not my intention. The founder, @RichP714, created this site to share truthful information, facts, and technical insights and discoveries and developments into audio, especially Carver, and thus form a community around that spirit. So please don't get me wrong - this topic is worth discussing, but like many things in audio, it has some die hard mythology behind it. I think the pursuit of quality gets conflated with the pursuit of fidelity. They aren't really the same thing. Owning speakers with real, hand-picked walnut veneer is beautiful and very high quality. But if someone were to claim that that speaker veneer creates a better soundstage in comparison to a plastic veneer is stretching the truth of the matter. Supremely High Quality parts do not equate to fidelity either. Anyone who's taken the time to take measurements and collect data for comparisons knows this. But I'm not at all opposed in any way to people using them or buying or even selling them. But when claims are made that just aren't true - it needs to be called out. With regard to crossovers - they can be designed to overcome component shortcomings. But at the same time, it is an area in the audio chain that often has room for improvement. Thing is, crossovers are simple on the outside, yet extremely complex the deeper you dive. You really have to know what you're doing to 'upgrade' a crossover.

No proof whatsoever - just very clever deception. Watch out!

A sympathy check is a wise first step as Gary suggested. Other than that, It could be the former is misaligned or malformed, which can cause a racket at certain frequencies, but not go completely bad. The tolerance of the former and winding inside the magnet is very tight, and so even a slight over-excursion can malform the alignment. It would be best not to use it - the next likely failure is damage to the coil wires themselves, then it's bye bye for good.

This one's for you Jack!

They could be run capacitors too. I'm not sure of their value.

Motor start caps in the crossover... There are no rules electronics - none!

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