loner_t 2,568 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Plant/Page of Led Zeppelin and Stairway to Heaven is embroiled in a lawsuit - here. This is what they are supposed to have copied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weitrhino 1,425 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Piffle. Aside from being descending chords on acoustic guitar there's no further resemblance to structure. This is a money grab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie 16,429 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Piffle. Aside from being descending chords on acoustic guitar there's no further resemblance to structure. This is a money grab. I'd have to agree on that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockster2U 668 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Tough call - quite similar but I'll leave it for the lawyers to figure it out while withholding my own opinion. Either way, this will remain among my all time favorites and one of the best renditions I've ever heard has to be Heart's performance of this song at the Kennedy Center. It gave me a whole new impression of Heart's talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loner_t 2,568 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 Piffle. Aside from being descending chords on acoustic guitar there's no further resemblance to structure. This is a money grab. The lyrics have an intrinsic value of their own, which is being completely ignored for a set of notes. Hopefully no one has a copyright on Music Theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiroacademy 828 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Tough call - quite similar but I'll leave it for the lawyers to figure it out while withholding my own opinion. Either way, this will remain among my all time favorites and one of the best renditions I've ever heard has to be Heart's performance of this song at the Kennedy Center. It gave me a whole new impression of Heart's talent. That was one of the best performances I have ever seen/heard anywhere of any song and it was on TV. I wish I could have seen that live. I watch it on youtube all the time. It's amazing!!! I would love to know if it is available somewhere on CD or vinyl (pipe dream). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niccolosito 327 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Aside from a few notes that anyone could have put together, I couldn't hear any other similarities that can be concluded as having been lifted intentionally or unconsciously by Page and Plant from that song. Jury verdicts are as unpredictable as the weather. And as sound and music appreciation is one very subjective endeavor influenced by personal tastes, good or bad memories related to the song, and any other factor that would prevent a jury from making an impartial decision, I submit that the two songs subject of the litigation be fed to a super computer that will then decide if one song is a almost a xerox copy of the other. The computer will make a note for note comparison not influenced by human frailties like some grudge against one band and sympathy for the other or some hidden agendas. On the other hand, and not meaning to offend the singer and song's fans, listen closely to Chris Rea's Road to Hell and see how closely it sounds like Hotel California in some sections and like The Boxtops' The Letter in other parts. Even the feint piano notes in the intro is a note for note playing of a traditional piano piece entitled "Love and Devotion". Give it a listen just for kicks and have your similarly subjective verdict.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas52indy 82 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I have been listening to "classical" music for many decades and it never ceases to amaze me how many popular tunes are direct "copies" of many of those composers. I suppose it is alright to "borrow" from dead guys who did not have the "protection" of modern copyright laws. One example of this is the sheet music for "All By Myself" that credits the lyrics and music to Eric Carmen. I cannot at this time recall the composer's name, but the music claimed to be written by and copyrighted by Eric Carmen is a note for note copy of that composer's work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1970 361 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I loved me some Led Zep as a teenager. Still, they plagiarized the hell out of many blues greats and they've lost many lawsuits as a result. It was only a matter of time until this thing with Stairway and Spirit finally went to court. They were on tour with Spirit and had to have heard it. It's great that they brought this music to a wider audience. I'll give them that. Full article here 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aslan7 954 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 That was a great summary of the "Zepp copies" Martin. Love that band but dang some (most) of those are pretty blatant. Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveStL 85 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Tough call - quite similar but I'll leave it for the lawyers to figure it out while withholding my own opinion. Either way, this will remain among my all time favorites and one of the best renditions I've ever heard has to be Heart's performance of this song at the Kennedy Center. It gave me a whole new impression of Heart's talent. That was one of the best performances I have ever seen/heard anywhere of any song and it was on TV. I wish I could have seen that live. I watch it on youtube all the time. It's amazing!!! I would love to know if it is available somewhere on CD or vinyl (pipe dream). I think I have that whole program on the uverse dvr, from Palladia (now MTVlive). It should be available, but I have not found it online. The song, at least, is on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B59OY48/175-9704382-5008339?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loner_t 2,568 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 I cannot at this time recall the composer's name, but the music claimed to be written by and copyrighted by Eric Carmen is a note for note copy of that composer's work. Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto. (Fantastic piece). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas52indy 82 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I cannot at this time recall the composer's name, but the music claimed to be written by and copyrighted by Eric Carmen is a note for note copy of that composer's work. Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto. (Fantastic piece). Thank you. I am off to play that after the current album completes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtexasdog 2,366 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Heck they were on tour together. Can't help hearing what the other band is playing and a riff gets into your mind and the next thing you make something that you feel is yours but everything you have heard is gonna influence it. It's all a progression, and music, along with creating it is a journey in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodH 4,820 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Eric Carmen and Sergei Rachmaninoff toured together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loner_t 2,568 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 Eric Carmen and Sergei Rachmaninoff toured together? Spirit and Led Zeppelin did. In the other case, one plagiarized from the other. (We need more with your sense of humor, DR). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodH 4,820 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Wait? What? Led Zep, Spirit, Eric Carmen And Rachmaninoff on the same bill????? Mind blown!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loner_t 2,568 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 Wait? What? Led Zep, Spirit, Eric Carmen And Rachmaninoff on the same bill????? Mind blown!!!! You should add David Helfgott to this mix as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMKentucky 70 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I have been listening to "classical" music for many decades and it never ceases to amaze me how many popular tunes are direct "copies" of many of those composers. I suppose it is alright to "borrow" from dead guys who did not have the "protection" of modern copyright laws. One example of this is the sheet music for "All By Myself" that credits the lyrics and music to Eric Carmen. I cannot at this time recall the composer's name, but the music claimed to be written by and copyrighted by Eric Carmen is a note for note copy of that composer's work. There are a lot of classical rips. Elvis Presley's "It's now or Never" is "O' Sole Mio." Billy Joel used the melody from Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 8 (Pathetique) for one of his songs (I can't remember which one). Edit: The Billy Joel tune ripped from Beethoven is the chorus of "The Night." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loner_t 2,568 Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 Billy Joel used the melody from Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 8 (Pathetique) for one of his songs (I can't remember which one). Edit: The Billy Joel tune ripped from Beethoven is the chorus of "The Night." THIS comes to mind. A very nice DVD presented by Billy Joel. He talks with Hung-ki Joo and how playing Beethoven brought the 'girls' flocking to the piano. Thibaudet and Grieg sound pretty good on this DVD, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kve777 6,660 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I noticed some similarity to a song by Pink Floyd on The Wall, too. Can't put my finger on the song, though. Guess I'll have to listen to the whole thing again real soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1970 361 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I noticed some similarity to a song by Pink Floyd on The Wall, too. Can't put my finger on the song, though. Guess I'll have to listen to the whole thing again real soon! Been trying to put my finger on it, too. Could it be Is There Anybody Out There? from about 1:24? This part kind of reminds me of it. Still thinking there might be something else in The Wall that's closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kve777 6,660 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 That's IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodH 4,820 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 The intro reminds me of stairway to heaven....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aslan7 954 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 The intro reminds me of stairway to heaven....... I agree Rod. More like stairway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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